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Somali Man Stoned to Death for Adultery
While a crowd of people looked on, Abas Hussein Abdirahman was stoned to death for having confessed to adultery in Islamic court in Southern Somalia. An eyewitness told the BBC that the 33-year-old “was screaming and blood was pouring from his head during the stoning. After seven minutes he stopped moving." His pregnant girlfriend will not be killed until she gives birth. A 13-year-old girl was killed for adultery further south last year. Human-rights groups said she’d been raped. It’s been 18 years since Somalia has had a functioning government.
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Sharia law states that adulterers be stoned to death, so the Islamic religious nuts who are running most of Somalia are following what they believe are the tenets of their faith when they carry out these brutal killings.
Religion... the opiate and sledge hammer of the people.
was it Thomas Paine that sad that?
Marx had a thing or two to say about it, as well.
Both Karl and Groucho.
No Plant, not all religion.
Geez, thanks Plant. Seeing as all the posters are just stupid hill folk, we really need for you to explain these things to us each and every time. What would we do without you? I sure would like to find out.
Lots of judgement here, Plant. We presently have in our own country Christians (Mormons) who rape teenage and younger girls via marriage. There are other Christians who deny themselves and their children healthcare even in crisis. It is common among the Amish to extract their children's teeth rather than seek dentistry. There are evangelicals who do not believe in educating their children. None of these people are religious nuts. They are people marginalized by the larger culture and in their isolation are allowed to perpetuate their unfortunate behaviors. There would be no tenets of faith without the believer. A better world could be possible if larger issues like social justice and good governance were addressed. There is no room for smugness here.
I agree with the general idea of your post, the part about smugness, but you need to remove the Amish bit. I know quite a lot of the Amish in Bird-in-Hand, Ronks, Paradise, PA area (near Lancaster) and all of them use local dentists, doctors and eye doctors, who claim the Amish are the only people who always pay promptly.
I guess I'm Amish. Huh, who'da thunk?
This is true. Also, the FLDS were convicted by secular courts and the reaction of the country as a whole was outraged. My friend who is a LDS christian talked to me extensively on the whole incident. They were just as disgust as were were. It is much like what would happen if a group of fundi christians stoned a gay person. We would be sickened. I am willing to bet there are muslims who feel the same way, a sadness for the looneys who take things too far, or too literally.
^disgusted
The difference is in social reaction. The Americans you mention, while defended by some, are decried by most and sometimes prosecuted. It is sort of like the difference between Israel and some of the Palistinians. When an Israeli slaughtered a group of Muslims at prayer, he was generally recognized to be a madman. When a Palestinian does the same, he was considered a hero at home.
That doesn't mean we don't have religious nuts who claim respectability, but who gives it to them, and why is the question. Many of the people you describe isolate themselves. We seem to have enough problems with those who want to take over, who threaten us directly, like some Evangelicals, the regular Mormon or Catholic Churches on Gay rights, that it is tough to go after those who leave us alone. WHich doesn't mean we should.
Hi po:
Different religions and cultures have different different beliefs and practices. Personally, when I travel around the world, perhaps the most interesting thing about it is that various cultures are so different.
Its incredibly smug and narrow of you to imagine that the world would better if everyone thought and acted just like you do.
Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Black.
So the plant travels all over the world and values the differences between various cultures? Gee, I must have misread all his other postings where he rants against Muslims and insinuates that they are our enemy. How craven and disingenuous can you get, plant? Never mind, he is a troll and that explains it all.
Plant, this may be just a guess but I believe the only time you travel around the world is when you hit the pipe one too many times.
slavery was a part of american culture and that was wrong.just because something is a part of someones culture does not make it right.slavery has been condemned by most of the world and rightly so,just like this should be too.
Plantagenet wrote: "Different religions and cultures have different different beliefs and practices. Personally, when I travel around the world, perhaps the most interesting thing about it is that various cultures are so different."
Plant, you said absolutely nothing either not known or of any importance in this sentence. Were you under the illusion that travelling would NOT reveal to you that various cultures are different? Hell, you can go from NH to GA and find that the culture as well as the accents are different.
And I see nothing smug or narrow about wanting people to show some sort of humanity and compassion along with a governing body that cared as much about the people they govern as they do about their perks, titles and keeping their jobs.
hfb1053, your guess is wrong. Sorry.
Oh shut up, they stoned a guy to death, quit defending it as a cultural idea. Murder and rape are murderous actions, not defendable as diverse ideas. Losers.
tanglewood, I agree, I also wonder how \one can even begin to see this as a cultural difference without also questioning how on earth those of us living in the 21st century can relate or even hope to find a point of agreement with people whose cultural level is this barbaric.
Is this where we're heading ? I can't wait. I hope they stone for stupidity because the left is loaded with them.
Lam D
No, the left is going to TAX for stupidity "stupid tax". That is why the right should be very much afraid, you especially.
Where do you get off suggesting that people should be harmed for being stupid. That sounds kind of like a nazi tactic.
A call for violence is the rallying cry of the right these days. It's very dangerous and definitely not helpful.
I am gonna say godwin until people start adhering to it.
Talk about stupid.
Malicious - be careful what you wish for. If it's granted you will be in serious trouble.
MaliciousDisorder, I think you have aptly choosen your name when you write comments such as this. It is a pity that too many in this country have the kind of frighteningly closed mind you seem to possess. It was a mindset similar to this that killed JFK, MLK, and Robert Kennedy.
To the day I die, I will always remember that in a class room of young children in a Dallas school, when told that the president of the USA had been killed, they cheered. Those children were far too young to know what they did. They learned that to dislike and to hate JFK was what their parents and other elders did, and so, they did also.
So much for evolution.
Say what you like, from any quarter, but this is still unacceptable, by any definition, in humanitarian terms.
Not many humanitarians in Africa.
The advocates of Sharia law would respond that stoning adulterers reduces the amount of adultery. They believe western society is immoral and isn't humanitarian because western society allows marriages to be destroyed and families broken apart etc. by rampant adultery.
source?
It's funny the way plant tries to pass herself off as an authority on subjects.
So enough with the analysis, what can we do to help this poor woman? Any suggestions? Any groups we can contact to stop her stoning?
JAGZAZ
Contact all the fundies and have them pray to God to change all the stones into pillows
or just use any country that uses stoning as a punishment as a target for nuclear bomb practice.
One need not focus on religious folk to find mean spirited people feeding off each other, they are in all walks of life. This stoning business seems nasty & cowardly: nothing different from lynch mobs who also hold the law in their dirty hands. But then again, on the other side, our system of justice in USA seems to have taken a turn too far in the opposite direction in being overly worried for the rights of those who have committed blatantly dark deeds. Feel for the girl, even if she crossed some lines: she's surrounded by "the sin of brutes who think themselves saints" with what looks like no way out: this is a common theme throughout our world, hopefully not more common than decent folk, but then most folk think themselves decent by their own standards.
This Samali man shoulda discoverd teh Mormans and moved to Utah. His actions woulda been legal and endorsed. MM
Utah should have been given to the Jews instead of Is-Ra-El.
Listen to yourselves. Bickering about bullshit while this unspeakable horror that is and has been in the name of God, Allah, whatever, continues. Snakehandlers, gay murderers, poor innocent rape victims stoned to death...all in the name...it's incredible that we are in this century, with this scientific knowledge, but not the knowledge of caring for each other in a real way...We hate, fight, bicker, throw harmful words as well as stones. Yes, it's us. it's not 'them'.
How are all our humanitarian dollars being spent?
Why are we hearing of atrocities' like this?
Where are all the access to justice organizations that at any other time would create a global outcry to spare the lives of women and adolescents being murder by foreign governments because for no other reason that they were brutalized and victims of crime?
Why is it that victims of heinous sexual assaults are usually the ones that have to endure continued violence, brutality and barbaric treatment and usually at the hands of those who are sworn to uphold the law?
What century do we live in?
Ah, the religion of peace. At least in America, we get stoned BEFORE we commit adultery.
As the great Van Morrison once sang:
"And it stoned me to my soul..."
HaHa. That's funny.
Yeah Vinny - At last, the voice of reason.
A big LOL, Vinny!
Apparently these idiots don't know the difference between justice and murder.
Give birth and then be stoned to death. Now, that's something to look forward to.
Brought to you courtesy of the world's fastest growing religion.
This is very much about religion left to its own devices, i.e. without the constraints of functioning secular government or the benefit of compulsory empirically-based education. Without these organs in place any country would be on a short path to similar incidents.
Hmmm, like maybe if Glenn Beck got his way?
Here we have another example of the religious mindset, this time Islam, but it could be any belief system as all are capable of such monstrous acts. It all comes down to a self referencing system where some people believe that "God" spoke to them and only they know the "truth" and that that means they must impose "Gods will" on everyone else, even torturing them to death publicly as way of making a terror statement. Yes in 2009 it is Islam that does this regularly and openly, and clearly in this form, Islam is a vile evil practice, but the spirit of hatred of difference and murder of "deviants" is just under the surface of every religion. You just have to dig a little under the surface of the GOP christian base and their attitude s to gays to see the truth of this.
This is an excellent example why we need to toss all religions in the trast learn to be truely universal and spiritual minded beings. We condem extreme fundamentalism, but they are the "sane" ones who act on the core religious beliefs instead of sitting on the fence of moderation!!! dump all religion unless you believe in Adam's rib :)
this is why we have seperation of church and state.we don't need to dump religion,we need to make sure religion has no say in making laws that govern the people.we need to make sure religious leaders never take control of any gov't
let people practice their faith how they want but make sure that religious leaders have no say in how a gov't is run.this is why we have seperation of church and state in america.because our founding fathers knew that this is the kind of stuff that would happen if religion took over gov't.
Perhaps the most important thing to remember about this story is that it is not an abuse of Islam. Rather Muslims in Somalia are going back to the Classical Muslim texts to justify their actions (The Qur'an and the Hadith). For this particular story they have a clear example in the hadith literature:
Muhammed Commands the Stoning to Death of An Adulterer and Adulteress Woman After Childbirth:
"Ma'iz came to Allah's Messenger and said: Allah's Messenger, I have wronged myself; I have committed adultery and I earnestly desire that you should purify me. He turned him away. On the following day, he (Ma'iz) again came to him and said: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) turned him away for the second time, and sent him to his people saying: Do you know if there is anything wrong with his mind. They denied of any such thing in him and said: We do not know him but as a wise good man among us, so far as we can judge. He (Ma'iz) came for the third time, and he (the Holy Prophet) sent him as he had done before. He asked about him and they informed him that there was nothing wrong with him or with his mind. When it was the fourth time, a ditch was dug for him and he (the Holy Prophet) pronounced judg- ment about him and he wis stoned. He (the narrator) said: There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman from Ghamid and said: Allah's Messenger, I have committed adultery, so purify me. He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day she said: Allah's Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn me away as you turned away Ma'iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He said: Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child). When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in a rag and said: Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said: Go away and suckle him until you wean him. When she had weaned him, she came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of bread in his hand. She said: Allah's Apostle, here is he as I have weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her. Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid's) curse that he had huried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Khalid, be gentle. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he would have been forgiven. Then giving command regarding her, he prayed over her and she was buried."
Sahih Muslim, Book 017, Number 4206
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/musl im/hadith/muslim/017.smt.html#017.4206
Thanks dga:
I especially like the part where the Holy Prophet enjoined his follower not to curse the dead woman they had just stoned to death for her thoughtlessness in allowing her blood to spurt on the people stoning her.
This should be our NEXT place to civilize, democratize and Jeesussize! Bring back BushDrunk and the Gang! Attack!
Yup.
Jeesussize thyself.
Forget it, nachi1. They're safe in Somalia.
Bush & the Jesus-ites wouldn't touch em. They're all poor and Black, and stuff.
Thank you.
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